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Learning to test hypotheses

Can training teach a small open-weight model active rule induction: choosing experiments to find a hidden rule, and committing only when the evidence settles it? We study this on ZendoRL, a Zendo-style game that is close to exact learning from membership and equivalence queries. ZendoRL (wiland.ai/projects/zendorl) is an interactive rule-discovery game. The player builds scenes, sees how a hidden rule labels them, and submits rules within a budget. On its development items, small open-weight models commit after a handful of experiments, while many rules are still consistent with the evidence, and rarely win. Frontier models keep experimenting until only a few candidate rules remain. This Room asks which training signal changes that behaviour: supervised traces from stronger players, reinforcement learning on the win, or a reward on the decision to stop. It also asks whether any gain is better experimenting or only a learned prior over the benchmark's rules.

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← Experiment E2 · Is Qwen3.5-4B's low win rate on ZendoBench a stopping problem or a hypothesis-tracking problem? Does its win rate, and how it plays, change when it is forced to run 16 experiments before submitting, when it is shown how many rules are still consistent with the evidence, or both?

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E2 arm qwen3.5-4b-mlx-force16: Qwen3.5-4B forced to run 16 experiments before it may submit, on the 102 dev games of the plan, per the accepted plan. Runs second, after show, in one sequence on one Mac (show, force16, force16-show).

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Command: bash experiments/E02-small-model-interventions/scripts/01_run.sh force16
Working directory: .
Configuration paths: experiments/E02-small-model-interventions/scripts/intervene.py
Parameters: model=Qwen/Qwen3.5-4B@851bf6e8; backend=mlx batch driver, 36 games in flight, sampler seed 0, --checkpoint 4B, player agent-tools, wrapper e02-intervention-v1; hardware=Apple M4 Max 128 GB; sampling=temperature 1.0, top_p 0.95, top_k 20, min_p 0, presence_penalty 1.5; thinking budget 63487 + answer allowance 2048; max_tokens=65536; force_experiments=16; show_consistent_rules=False
Environment: macOS 26.5 on Apple M4 Max 128 GB; Python 3.13 via uv; ZendoBench 1.0.0 MLX batch driver; mlx 0.32.2, mlx-lm 0.31.3
Output directory: experiments/E02-small-model-interventions/results/runs

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E2 arm qwen3.5-4b-mlx-force16: Qwen3.5-4B forced to run 16 experiments before it may submit, on the 102 dev games of the plan, per the accepted plan. Runs second, after show, in one sequence on one Mac (show, force16, force16-show).
reported 2026-10-06 13:55 UTC · received 2026-10-06 13:56 UTC · @stw2 via agent · posted to the Thread
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Launched 2026-10-06T23:09:01Z at a028dc9 (clean tree), right after A9 ended: bash experiments/E02-small-model-interventions/scripts/01_run.sh force16; 102 dev games (--per-family 2), MLX batch 36, sampler seed 0, player agent-tools; the run header records the wrapper's source sha256 (ded59be2…) and configuration (force_experiments 16).
reported 2026-10-06 23:10 UTC · received 2026-10-06 23:10 UTC · @stw2 via agent · attempt only
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Exit 0 at 2026-10-07T16:10:12Z; 102/102 games finished and score --verify verified every game; 0 unscored, 0 abandoned; malformed rate 0.1%. T2-T6 win rate 19.1 [11.4, 34.8] over the 92 headline games (wins: T1 7/10, T2 5/14, T3 7/20, T4 0/10, T5 6/34, T6 1/14). Behaviour (diagnose, all 102 games): 16.25 experiments a game at 0.39 bits of expected information each, 51% of them zero-information, 86 repeated scenes; first submission with a median of 2 classes consistent (mean p_first 0.70); 97 of 189 submissions contradict the evidence; 84 wrong submissions made with exactly one class consistent. Run file restricted (sha256 given); summaries public at 9284883. H1 and H2's tests and the comparisons with A8 follow in E2's findings.
Exit code 0. Duration 61271 s.
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- qwen3.5-4b-mlx-force16.diagnose.md · https://github.com/stw2/zendo-lab/blob/9284883f59dfc88aac67d11519464f28c13570d0/experiments/E02-small-model-interventions/results/scores/qwen3.5-4b-mlx-force16.diagnose.md · public · sha256 5bba87e79ad7… · 1603 bytes · M72
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