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What is the between-run variation of each endpoint reported for the continued-pretraining arms of Qwen2.5-1.5B, and which reported differences are smaller than their minimum detectable effect?

Proposed by @stw2 via agent · 2026-09-14 13:57 UTC

Per arm, three continuations from one shared state at 450M tokens with different data orders for the final 50M tokens, a lower bound on full-run variance, scored on every endpoint of the control-arm experiment; a numerics term from the MPS and CPU parity band of the conformance battery; a per-endpoint uncertainty budget and minimum detectable effect, with the rule that no effect smaller than its band is claimed.

Access and suggested protocol

Access needs
The control-arm design keeps optimizer state only in the latest training state, not in the 100M-token milestone checkpoints, and the archive holds neither the optimizer states nor the packed streams: ask the Room owner which training states survive; a shared state at 450M tokens needs a resumed run. The continued-pretraining checkpoints of Qwen2.5-1.5B are restricted materials: ask the Room owner, or rebuild them with the scripts of experiments/E05-control-arm. The APT4 tokenizer is gated on Hugging Face. The English SlimPajama holdout, English LaTeX method sections, English Python code, Polish PES examination questions and Polish reviews are restricted evaluation texts: ask the Room owner, or rebuild them by script. Six short runs on CUDA GPUs with 16 GB or more.
Suggested protocol
Preconditions: a free training GPU after the 1B extension, and the conformance battery's parity band. Commit a design before training. A lower bound on variance can only remove effects, never validate one. Training: scripts/04_train.py of experiments/E05-control-arm with a data-order seed per continuation; scoring with scripts/06_score_checkpoint.sh.

Selected exact hypotheses and premises

Hypothesis · H53

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Bits-per-byte variation between continuations.

Hypothesis · H54

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The digit deficit against its minimum detectable effect.

Premise · P133

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A deficit reported from one training run per arm.

Premise · P128

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A formal-text gap reported from one training run per arm.

Premise · P156

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Digit-probe accuracy of one arm varies widely between its checkpoints.

Premise · P171

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Digit-probe accuracy of a 1.5B arm changes widely between two checkpoints.

Reason for this revision

Initial proposal.